DUST Search - Tweaking ADS mechanics

Sir Dukey wrote:

Derrith Erador wrote:

Before the AV community ruins something by constantly moaning about it, I may as well step in and give my 2 isk.

I'm in this case trying to meet the AV community halfway in this, I understand that ADS are a little pumped up, but not so much that something called teamwork and properly specing into swarms won't fix.

My personal opinion is that swarms don't need a buff, I've been taken out with dual set of proto swarms before.

Let's do the math here, a proper fitted AV suit costs around maybe 200k isk (sometimes less), my ADS costs 500k. I can't back a damage buff to swarms as doing that will basically let every Tom, **** and Harry who threw 621,840k SP into swarms take me down and I'll have no countermeasures. which basically means that a suit that costs half as much as my ADS will easily take me down. Swarms don't need a buff because taking out a tank or ADS, when properly fitted, and having a competent pilot, should be a team effort.

I can also not support a speed increase to swarms, and here is why. The only effective countermeasure we have against swarms and forge is our afterburners.

Now to where I meet the middle ground and may get some flame from the vehicles.

The main issue isn't the speed of the ADS, seeing as that is our only effective countermeasure against avoiding the AV users. The main issue is the recharge rate of shields and afterburners. I've been flying for quite a while now, ever since the start of dust, in fact.

My proposal is to increase the recharge delay of shields, or the recharge rate of afterburners. 10 seconds on the afterburners is more than enough time for me to dip in, grab a few kills, fly off into the sunset with my baby Laira (Laira being my ADS), then recharge shields and go in for another swoop. Then rinse and repeat. Be careful not to nerf them too hard, however, as you pretty much kill the ADS community by doing that. My numbers are below, just spitballing here.

Afterburners recharge= 25seconds raw (without the buff)

recharge delay= can't honestly put forth a good number, as Pythons live off this.

One of the worst ideas on the forums... Increasing recharge delay... Are you freking crazy? Put a delay on armor reps is what needs to happan. Anyways, swarms should be sh*t toward dropships because the skill in bringing down the dropship is getting the accuracy and swarms are dumb fire. Swarms should be especailly sh*t toward shield vehicles but it seems that shield vehicles are easier to kill with swarms than Armor.


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Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1921	Posted - 2014.05.26 14:47:00 - [1] - Quote Before the AV community ruins something by constantly moaning about it, I may as well step in and give my 2 isk. I'm in this case trying to meet the AV community halfway in this, I understand that ADS are a little pumped up, but not so much that something called teamwork and properly specing into swarms won't fix. My personal opinion is that swarms don't need a buff, I've been taken out with dual set of proto swarms before. Let's do the math here, a proper fitted AV suit costs around maybe 200k isk (sometimes less), my ADS costs 500k. I can't back a damage buff to swarms as doing that will basically let every Tom, **** and Harry who threw 621,840k SP into swarms take me down and I'll have no countermeasures. which basically means that a suit that costs half as much as my ADS will easily take me down. Swarms don't need a buff because taking out a tank or ADS, when properly fitted, and having a competent pilot, should be a team effort. I can also not support a speed increase to swarms, and here is why. The only effective countermeasure we have against swarms and forge is our afterburners. Now to where I meet the middle ground and may get some flame from the vehicles. The main issue isn't the speed of the ADS, seeing as that is our only effective countermeasure against avoiding the AV users. The main issue is the recharge rate of shields and afterburners. I've been flying for quite a while now, ever since the start of dust, in fact. My proposal is to increase the recharge delay of shields, or the recharge rate of afterburners. 10 seconds on the afterburners is more than enough time for me to dip in, grab a few kills, fly off into the sunset with my baby Laira (Laira being my ADS), then recharge shields and go in for another swoop. Then rinse and repeat. Be careful not to nerf them too hard, however, as you pretty much kill the ADS community by doing that. My numbers are below, just spitballing here. Afterburners recharge= 25seconds raw (without the buff) recharge delay= can't honestly put forth a good number, as Pythons live off this. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1925	Posted - 2014.05.27 04:31:00 - [2] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Should not take multiple players to down one vehicle. ISK is not a balancing factor. Although it is odd that my ADS is more expensive than most tanks. Yes, only increasing swarm missile's speed is a terrible idea. You think shields recharge too fast? If anything, passive armor reps repair too fast. It's taken two to take me out, and they were guys who took the time to spec into the swarms properly. On isk not being a balancing factor, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I don't really think increasing swarm speed is a good idea. Again, our only countermeasure is getting away, that would kill our only countermeasure. I do think they recharge too quickly. Afterburners as well. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 1936	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:22:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Before the AV community ruins something by constantly moaning about it, I may as well step in and give my 2 isk. I'm in this case trying to meet the AV community halfway in this, I understand that ADS are a little pumped up, but not so much that something called teamwork and properly specing into swarms won't fix. My personal opinion is that swarms don't need a buff, I've been taken out with dual set of proto swarms before. Let's do the math here, a proper fitted AV suit costs around maybe 200k isk (sometimes less), my ADS costs 500k. I can't back a damage buff to swarms as doing that will basically let every Tom, **** and Harry who threw 621,840k SP into swarms take me down and I'll have no countermeasures. which basically means that a suit that costs half as much as my ADS will easily take me down. Swarms don't need a buff because taking out a tank or ADS, when properly fitted, and having a competent pilot, should be a team effort. I can also not support a speed increase to swarms, and here is why. The only effective countermeasure we have against swarms and forge is our afterburners. Now to where I meet the middle ground and may get some flame from the vehicles. The main issue isn't the speed of the ADS, seeing as that is our only effective countermeasure against avoiding the AV users. The main issue is the recharge rate of shields and afterburners. I've been flying for quite a while now, ever since the start of dust, in fact. My proposal is to increase the recharge delay of shields, or the recharge rate of afterburners. 10 seconds on the afterburners is more than enough time for me to dip in, grab a few kills, fly off into the sunset with my baby Laira (Laira being my ADS), then recharge shields and go in for another swoop. Then rinse and repeat. Be careful not to nerf them too hard, however, as you pretty much kill the ADS community by doing that. My numbers are below, just spitballing here. Afterburners recharge= 25seconds raw (without the buff) recharge delay= can't honestly put forth a good number, as Pythons live off this. One of the worst ideas on the forums... Increasing recharge delay... Are you freking crazy? Put a delay on armor reps is what needs to happan. Anyways, swarms should be sht toward dropships because the skill in bringing down the dropship is getting the accuracy and swarms are dumb fire. Swarms should be especailly sht toward shield vehicles but it seems that shield vehicles are easier to kill with swarms than Armor. Am I crazy? The answer is yes. Yet I don't think I'm crazy in this instance. I believe I've seen you pilot before, could be wrong though. I do honestly believe that something needs to happen on recharge delay or afterburner delay. I dip in, snag a few kills (admittedly, I stole them ) at a pace just shy of the speed of the shotgun scout. Besides, this was my attempt to meet the AV community halfway on this without getting the absolute nerf hammer CCP is famous for. Add to the fact that forges and swarms are the only viable form of AV, and add to the fact that they do most damage against armor, no other effective infantry AV against shields exists yet. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.